In this conversation, Dr Claudelle and Muzi Sikhakhane SC look through the lens of law and explore questions such as: what the relationship between law and politics? Does law serve society? How do we create law that works for everyone, when there are diverse views around what is right and wrong? Do we have gaps in the Constitution? How can the average person use their agency as a citizen to influence a change in the law when the law is no longer serving society? Can you apply sound law and have unethical outcomes?